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Post by aBiSh @admin on Aug 27, 2015 13:23:04 GMT 12
Thank you very much for you input koru_ph. We really appreciate it. Welcome to PinoyKiwi! It's a delight having someone like you in our forum. That way we can get opinion from the agencies themselves. Now that you're here, can we ask you a question that we've always wanted to ask? Kapag may lumapit sa inyo na gusto mag-inquire about migrating to New Zealand, do you usually just offer student visa? Or do you also mention about other visa schemes?
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Post by koru_ph on Aug 27, 2015 13:57:18 GMT 12
Hi aBiSh @admin, glad to be a part of the forum. Since you guys have a massive following, I thought it might be a good way for me to find out more about the kinds of things that people looking to go NZ want to know about. I'm trying to make regular updates to my site (in the opportunities section) to make it work a bit like a blog. Hirap mag-isip ng topics to write about! As for your question, I can only speak for myself and not agents in general. I don't tell everybody to go through the student route. It's not for everyone. Minsan kasi hindi aligned dun sa goals and priorities ng tao, minsan di kaya ng finances. If I feel like studying doesn't really add value to the person's situation, I won't recommend it. May ibang tao naman na best bet na nila talaga yung student route. If your experience is in a field that it is a bit non-specific, it's tougher to get a job offer from outside NZ. Studying allows you to upskill while giving you the chance to develop your network through your school's connections. Tas of course, may benefits like extra points and post-study work visas. I currently am not licensed (there's a mandatory stand down period for ex-INZ staff when it comes to IAA licensing) so I operate within licensing exemptions. While I have the expertise to guide people through pretty much all visa categories, I don't dispense advice outside the student category. So if a client approaches me about migration and it seems a student visa isn't appropriate, I just give general info about their alternatives (public info isn't considered advice). Student/education agents of course will recommend study because they can't advise you on other matters and rarely will they have experience with other visa types. LIAs can do a range of things so they have more wiggle room when it comes to talking about your options.
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Post by aBiSh @admin on Aug 27, 2015 14:43:08 GMT 12
That is very good to hear koru_ph! Thank you! Dahil nandito kami mismo sa NZ and we can directly see how unprepared students end up, we would really appreciate if agencies like you would at least mention about other visa types and set correct expectations. Just let them know that sometimes it's not easy to get a skilled job once they finish their studies and there is a possibility that they have to go home if they don't get a skilled job. Feel free to participate in our other discussions as well. That way marami kang makukuhang input about the perceived versus reality circumstances (i.e. cost of living, accommodation, job market) and pass on the info to your clients. Maraming salamat sa iyo.
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Post by dreamwonder on Aug 28, 2015 7:08:29 GMT 12
Maraming salamat sa mga bagong inputs ninyo Chief aBiSh @admin at koru_phMinsan me nag sabi sa amin ng wife ko. You should think a hundred times before deciding to migrate in other countries. Gaya sa Canada. Ganun din ang pag student path to NZ. I've been reading INZ website for a year already whenever I have time. Just today , I've read section in INZ/Manila Pathway to residence - students and skilled workers. I'm quite surprise it is mentioned there (student). www.immigration.govt.nz/NR/rdonlyres/1D20301F-9DB3-4823-AA3C-2FCCD79B7341/0/PathwaytoResiStudentsandSkilledWorkers.pdfIn reality, there is no guarantee in student path to become a resident if you don't get a skilled job . Nabanggit din koruph business course is generic or broad. Mababa ang tuition fees ng PTE. I am not saying it is not possible to get residency through student path but aspiring student must have a clear plan and supported by work experienced. NZ employers don't hire to train new graduates. Except for a few position that would need entry level. They prioritize citizen and resident. I am not in NZ yet. I'm not saying also that I have given up my dream to become a resident and bring my family there in NZ. But for sure, there must be other way.
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Post by koru_ph on Aug 28, 2015 12:32:20 GMT 12
dreamwonder, I agree that there are no guarantees when it comes to obtaining residence. But that's the case when you enter through any temporary category, even with a SMC Job Search visa. The thing about student visas though is that they buy you a lot of time to find skilled employment after your course. Funny that you mention the pathways document because I authored that. It was made years ago so some stuff (like the reference to positive student profiles) is now obsolete or outdated. The intention behind creating that document was not to be prescriptive with a route that students/workers need to take. Rather, it is meant to illustrate the succession of visas that people typically go through over a period of time. It's good to see your determination. Best of luck to you on your quest to migrate to NZ!
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Post by gracia on Aug 28, 2015 14:27:36 GMT 12
koru_ph wow ang galing ikaw ang author nung link? astig May tanong lang po ako, lahat po ba ng nagtatapos ng studies sa nz, nabibigyan ng job search visa, kahit mga one year lang ang course na tinake?
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Post by koru_ph on Aug 28, 2015 18:07:17 GMT 12
gracia yup, that was me. Tagal na nun - mga circa 2011 pa ata. About studying in NZ, the answer is no. You have to take specific kinds of qualifications to be eligible for a post-study work visa. Kung 1 year lang yung course, kailangan at least level 7 siya.
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Post by gracia on Aug 28, 2015 23:31:43 GMT 12
Ibang level po pala kayo koru_ph.. Galing... Thanks po sa libreng pagsagot Isa pa pong tanong, ano po kayang bagay na course sa kapatid ko, BS Nursing graduate po siya pero hindi board passer, currently working as a cashier sa Venetian Macao so ang layoooo hehehe Gusto niya po sana kumuha ng student visa,pero gusto niya kasama asawa at anak niya.. Ano po kayang bagay sa kanyang course? Yung related sa healthcare? Yun po kase gusto niya thank you po. *admin/mods palipat na lang po sa tamang thread parang OT na yata ako.thanks po.
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Post by koru_ph on Aug 28, 2015 23:55:27 GMT 12
Hi gracia, I'm happy to help I don't really think this is the right place for me to be giving guidance that's super specific to a person's circumstances. Perhaps your sister may want to check out my website and send me an inquiry by filling out this online form. Wala namang bayad to inquire.
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Post by gracia on Aug 29, 2015 0:50:21 GMT 12
koru_ph sige po sabihan ko siya to visit your site at fillupan ang form at maginquire. Thank you
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Post by aztalabista on Oct 10, 2015 4:53:40 GMT 12
hi po,
newbie here... i am asking for your advice
me and my girlfriend are planning to go in nz.. my gf will take level 8 post diploma certifcate sa wairiki ,rotorua.. at pwde nya ako maisama..dumaan kami sa isang agent.. advice nya na yun lang kasi course pwde e take na kami dalawa sabay makkapunta ng nz.. both po kami ay regstered nurse dito sa philippines... tama po ba choice namin about it..kasi gusto namin sabay kami at ako tutulong sa studies nya..may chances ba mka pr kami ,? thanks..waiting for your feedback
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Post by grim on Oct 10, 2015 23:18:07 GMT 12
Good evening mga sir/mam. So far negative ang feedback sa student visa, tama nga scary, as of now nag aayos n ako ng papers for a student visa then nabasa ko to ouch, ngayon clueless ako kung anong gagawi ko ahahah.
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Post by ModM on Oct 11, 2015 5:40:53 GMT 12
aztalabista naexplore niyo ba ang CAP ? Sent from my GT-I9505 using proboards
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Post by grim on Oct 12, 2015 16:12:28 GMT 12
@user176 opo, maraming salamat
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Post by aztalabista on Oct 18, 2015 18:42:07 GMT 12
aztalabista naexplore niyo ba ang CAP ? Sent from my GT-I9505 using proboards thank you sa reply maam, regarding sa cap po if ever ma approve gf ko pwde din po ba nya ako masama as partner.. plan namin after niya mg post diploma saka mg aaply ng cap. level 8 course lang po kasi pwde maisama ang partner ang iba after study pa. gusto namin po kasi kami dalawa sabay pumunta nz. thanks
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Post by ModM on Oct 18, 2015 20:38:28 GMT 12
aztalabista level 8 lang nga pwede magsama ng partner. Kapag sa CAP na route, pwede lang magsama kapag work visa na yata which is after ng CAP and nakakuha na job
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Post by aztalabista on Oct 18, 2015 20:48:56 GMT 12
aztalabista level 8 lang nga pwede magsama ng partner. Kapag sa CAP na route, pwede lang magsama kapag work visa na yata which is after ng CAP and nakakuha na job opo sir, ngayun po may offer letter na kami sa wairiki..yun po plan namin after school mgipon para cap..ako naman din mgwowork while sya nag aaral..pwde po ba mg enrol sa cap while nagaaral pa sya at if ever matangap.mag take ng leave sa school?. thank you po
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Post by koru_ph on Oct 21, 2015 16:16:33 GMT 12
aztalabista - honestly I think you guys should take the time to re-evaluate your plans. Have you two applied with the Nursing Council yet? CAP isn't an option unless you've already been invited to take it.
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Post by koru_ph on Oct 21, 2015 16:24:50 GMT 12
grim, a couple of years back we did a report on the visa outcomes for Filipino students. Basically, we found that on the whole, Filipino students were very successful in that many transitioned to work and residence visas after completing their courses. The student route might be better than you think. I will say this though - students need to choose their courses wisely. If migration is the goal, you need to pick courses that will make you attractive in the NZ labour market. Think of what skilled occupation might suit you and figure out what type of study will steer you in that direction. Often times, the problem is that students are more interested in going to NZ ASAP and getting fringe benefits (ie partner on an open work visa). Prioritising stuff like this can sabotage you later on.
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Post by bhel on Oct 21, 2015 18:29:29 GMT 12
Hi @koru_ph, what do you mean po by this: (ie partner on an open work visa). Prioritizing stuff like this can sabotage you later on.
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Post by koru_ph on Oct 22, 2015 13:28:34 GMT 12
bhel, minsan kasi hindi maganda or best fit yung course na kinukuha ng student dahil mas pinahahalagahan ng nila yung fringe benefits. For example, mageenrol yung student ng Postgrad Dip in Business kasi yung postgrad, pwede magwork visa ang partner. After ng course, marerealise na ng student na di pala madali makakuha ng skilled employment sa ganung field tapos asabihin na pangit ang student visa as entry. In reality, ang course na kinuha ay hindi tama para sa goals ng student. I'm not saying na di ok yung Postgrad Dip in Business. It's just not for everyone.
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Post by ModM on Oct 22, 2015 13:45:01 GMT 12
Tama si koru_ph. As we always say here student visa yung fastest route na makarating sa NZ pero not necessarily the easiest to get you to stay (and get RV). We are not discouraging anyone to take the student pathway. We just advise na pag-isipan mabuti ang plano (kaya nga think twice) kasi it is also the most expensive route. Find a course of study that will ensure you a ticket in the NZ job market.
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Post by ModM on Oct 22, 2015 13:51:20 GMT 12
aztalabista - bakit ayaw niyo mag CAP? Is it because ayaw niyo magkalayo? If the two of you take CAP, cheaper pa yun than yung studying level 8. If eventually nursing career din ang gusto ni gf, bakit pa siya mag level 8 study? Dahil lang gusto niyo magkasama kayo? Eh di what if ikaw ang magstudy ng kahit level 7 tapos siya mag CAP. Cheaper pa yata yun and mas mataas pa ang points na makukuha niyo kasi may possibility na pwede na ikaw ang principal applicant for residency. Pwede rin siya. Yung level 8 kasi na plan niyo- chances are si gf lang ang pwede na principal. Malabong ikaw ang magprincipal kasi hindi tugma ang qualification mo sa job experience mo. And if you are looking at odd jobs lang na hindi skilled (wala sa list), baka hindi rin pasok sa points. Hindi madali makakuha ng jobs dito sa NZ kahit mga odd jobs. Madaming students na kakumpetensiya sa mga jobs. Yung dairy farming, medyo may issues doon ngayon. Naghihigpit dahil may scam issues ang mga Pinoy.
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Post by koru_ph on Oct 22, 2015 13:57:24 GMT 12
People also have to understand that study, whether in your home country or overseas, is an investment. Like all investments, may ROI at di yun instant.
There are occupations na medyo matagal bago ka maging considered na skilled but once you get the experience, malaki yung payoff. Study toward being a chartered accountant is a good example. Di ka kasi instantly nagiging chartered accountant pagkagraduate mo.
Student visas are a gateway to NZ and they offer post-study pathways that will let you earn the experience you need to become successful. It's an expensive migration pathway and you need to choose your course wisely to get the most out of your study.
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Post by bhel on Oct 22, 2015 19:07:03 GMT 12
Thank you po sa mga sagot nyo.. Malaking tulong po sa aming nagpaplanong mag student path.. Salamat po ulit..
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Post by aztalabista on Oct 23, 2015 9:01:14 GMT 12
aztalabista - bakit ayaw niyo mag CAP? Is it because ayaw niyo magkalayo? If the two of you take CAP, cheaper pa yun than yung studying level 8. If eventually nursing career din ang gusto ni gf, bakit pa siya mag level 8 study? Dahil lang gusto niyo magkasama kayo? Eh di what if ikaw ang magstudy ng kahit level 7 tapos siya mag CAP. Cheaper pa yata yun and mas mataas pa ang points na makukuha niyo kasi may possibility na pwede na ikaw ang principal applicant for residency. Pwede rin siya. Yung level 8 kasi na plan niyo- chances are si gf lang ang pwede na principal. Malabong ikaw ang magprincipal kasi hindi tugma ang qualification mo sa job experience mo. And if you are looking at odd jobs lang na hindi skilled (wala sa list), baka hindi rin pasok sa points. Hindi madali makakuha ng jobs dito sa NZ kahit mga odd jobs. Madaming students na kakumpetensiya sa mga jobs. Yung dairy farming, medyo may issues doon ngayon. Naghihigpit dahil may scam issues ang mga Pinoy. -wala po kasi sa plan ko mag cap..si gf lang po kasi siya ang may experience..ako po walang experience at matagal na ako nagshift nang career po..ang plan ko po ay mgwork sa dairy or caregiver while nasa rotorua pa kami..after po study ng gf ko sa level 8 sa auckland ako mag aaply as casino dealer..kasi casino dealer po ako ngayon dito sa solaire pasay..thanks po sa advice.. mas cheaper nga po talaga ang cap kaso hindi ko po kasi gusto yung nursing na career napilitan lang dati dahil nauso pag graduate ko ng highschool..mahirap nga talaga ang competition sana kahit papaano makahanap ako work diyan.
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Post by ModM on Oct 23, 2015 11:27:27 GMT 12
aztalabista how about ikaw ang mag-aral ng business or hospitality or wait ano ba ang course na related sa casino - that way you also gain qualifications in addition to your experience? Madami Filipinos na nasa Sky City - mga table dealers yung iba. Then what is siya naman mag-CAP? I think in the end you will both gain qualifications sa NZ job market and have better chance of getting residency. I think that will end up cheaper. Tsaka as a student pwede ka magwork part time rin sa hospitality industry/casino industry. If you start working as a dairy farmer (which I discourage right now kasi mahigpit talaga ngayon especially for Filipinos dahil nga sa scam) or caregiver, malalayo ka sa career na gusto mo. If she takes CAP right away, mas mabilis na makakuha siya ng chance magka nursing job tapos residency. If she takes a level 8 course tapos magCAP... the time na magkaCAP siya variation of condition yun -- visitor visa yun essentially which then will possibly invalidate your visa. Your work as a caregiver or mga odd jobs will not necessarily be enough to allow you to stay. It does not work that way. Your visa is linked to the principal applicant which is your gf. Please know that we are not discouraging you or your gf to take the student pathway. We are merely sharing what we know of how it works here in NZ. Ayaw namin masayang niyo yung pera niyo and chance niyo maging resident. Plan carefully.
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Post by nameless on Nov 22, 2015 22:36:01 GMT 12
Advice to RNs na gusto maging NZRN
If your are planning to gain residency, make sure that your work experience is in lined with the nursing jobs listed sa LTSSL. Generally, Adult nursing dapat ang work experience mo. I have not heard of anyone na neonatal or pediatric ang experience sa PH tapos naka kuha ng NURSING job dito sa Care Homes or Hospital. This is not to discourage anyone, but this is the truth. But you can still take your chances.
Direct CAP from PH - mas mura pero you will take a risk since visitors visa bibigay sayo. Puwede mo naman ma renew up to 9 months ang visa mo. And some employers do not prioritze applicants under visitors visa.
If gusto mo mag student visa pero Nurse ka from PH na planning to be NZRN, in my opinion, MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE DONE INITIAL REGISTRATION WITH THE NCNZ before you come to NZ as a student since mahaba yung processing time ng NCNZ initial registration. The advantage would be that you can take the CAP while you are on a job search visa, and find a nursing job after without restrictions to work. The Disadvantage is that you will spend a lot of money for the student visa, and another 10k to 12k NZD for the CAP ON on top of the student visa expenses.
Just my opinion, please feel free to correct me if im wrong
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Post by aBiSh @admin on Nov 23, 2015 15:41:52 GMT 12
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Post by koru_ph on Nov 23, 2015 19:22:09 GMT 12
It's not feasible for most Filipino nurses to obtain NZNC registration before travelling to NZ. In almost 7 years with INZ, I've only seen 1 applicant from the Philippines who was granted registration without CAP. Also, most nurses would jump straight into work if granted registration. I have yet to encounter a Filipino nurse with registration who has deferred taking up employment in NZ to pursue further studies there.
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